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I really respect Earl and Bill as well as yourself Timmy. I took one class with Bill and learned a lot and listen to both of them and other voice actors as well.
I think people think they will guarantee a golden ticker voice over career and don't understand its also the person who has to build their own career. Bill Dewees and Earl Hall can only show you so much with their wisdom and techniques, voice over doesn't have a set formula to grow a career and its oddly a good thing for everyone.
Hey Tim. Thanks for your honest review! I stumbled across your video while searching for something else. It was a pleasant surprise. I also scanned through some of the comments. I think it's good and healthy to share your experience and perspective regarding VO coaches. It seems that the bulk of the negative comments are related to my selling voice over coaching and demos services. I get it. There is a fine line between "selling" and being "annoying". To succeed in any business (VO and VO coaching included....or whatever your career is) you (or someone) must sell. I offer over 700 VO tutorials on my YT channel (free) so I don't feel too bad about offering my expertise for a fee (same as my voice over recording services). People can take what I offer for free and ignore me after that if they choose :). What I would love to see more of from voice over coaches is transparency in earnings. And btw, earnings shared should be ONLY from recording voice overs....NOT from VO training (no fudging the numbers!). If you are going to charge someone for something than (I believe) you must be able to prove that you can actually do it yourself (thus sharing of earnings info). My passion as a coach is helping people make money recording voice overs. That means going against the old/institutional wisdom that is shared by many. Keep it up and all the best to you!
I appreciate you Timmy. Thanks for being you. We also have similar closets!
Tim, appreciate the content however, you've given a new meaning to the phrase "water is wet"...ie; "there's no guarantee that everything they do is going to work for you" ( 8EmnOaL4tO4&t=17m26s 17:26 time stamp]. My experience regarding Bill (as well as with his son Alex, daughter Mallory and wife Vickey) is that he/they are authentic, helpful and responsive. I've purchased a few of his coaching web classes (w/content provided by diff pros) and overall have found them to be extremely beneficial. Peace!!✌️
Self-motivation, tenacity, non-ego mentality, and pursuit of your own special path. I've been in broadcasting since 1972, and enjoy narration (20 books in Audible), and other clients that I've pursued and found on my own. Follow your path ... and be persistent. Nice video.
I have never seen anything shady about Bill. Bill certainly has great advice and tips on how to be successful, but just taking his course doesn't guarantee any income. You have to really bust your butt implementing what you've learned and that again doesn't promise any certain dollar amount. This is not an instant get rich quick thing, it takes time, consistency, and the mindset that it's a marathon, not a sprint.
One's success in freelance, or any endeavor for that matter, will come from one's own gumption, grit, and application of acquired knowledge mixed with a little luck along the way. The path is not always easy, smooth, and downhill which unrealistically is what some seek from Bill and the other VO marketers. They understand most folks will fall short of their goal for one reason or another and they'll be unjustly criticized for it because money exchanged hands. I'm paraphrasing someone: for every finger of blame pointed at someone, there are three fingers pointed back at you.
I for one would love to see a part 2 talking about Bill Dewees and the industry
I've never had an issue with Bill but he seems to come at the voice acting business more from a marketing aspect than a performance one. He said you can find jobs on Craigslist. I tried it but I was never able to find anything.
A Tale of 2 Bills: Bill is odd to me. When I first got into VO about 12 years ago he seemed more legit and less "salesy". I liked him, followed him, and even went through some of his coaching and he produced my first demo. I went to his home and recorded in his booth. I found him genuine and nice and enjoyed working with him.
HOWEVER; over the last few years, I see him doing more "cash-grabbing" type of training. I had watched a few videos that I thought were just poor advice. In particular, one video with his son about using compression where the advice and technique that they gave were flat out incorrect and nonsense. It wasn't something subjective that I disagreed on..it was completely incorrect. Period.
Since then I have seen him do fast sell stuff that looks much lower quality than he used to produce. I do not find him as credible as he was a few years ago but I still think he has some good stuff to offer. Even if people just go back and watch his earlier less "salsey" videos.
I do not think that Bill is trying to exploit anybody or anything. I think maybe his strategy has changed a bit due to the market changing...more coaches..more platforms...he's busy as hell and has to do fast stuff...etc. I think he is a good person but maybe he's just slipping on his overall strategy.
Also, I will say that I noticed a massive difference in his marketing once he got involved with that gross Fred guy. I dont know if he is still in cahoots with that guy but his business took a turn for the worse when he chained to that hard sales clown.
Now, Earl Hall is a different story. Gross.
This thumnail is actually hilarious
This is something I dislike about people in this industry, the majority of the people don't do any research and just listen to what others say, I'm a part of this discord group and since I watch your video on Fiverr, I like to tell people Fiverr is a great website, people just come out of the woodwork saying no it's taking away from true voice actors and whatever, people believe them. Bill dewees is an amazing person, his video is packed with a lot of info, I never bought his course but you don't need to, his free videos are plenty enough, he's currently doing Livestream basically every other day.
I’ve never had any issue with Bill. I actually learned a lot more from him than I did from Earl. What bothered me about Earl was when he stopped doing VO coaching for a while to apparently go into insurance sales. I bought Anthony Pica’s Fiverr class years ago through Earl’s site and lost access to that class.
8EmnOaL4tO4&t=20m16s 20:16 .... just go ahead and say it... I let you down...LOL
I follow Bill mostly for technical advice (mic technique, voice care, stuff like that), but I don't usually watch or follow his marketing side of VO. I'm not saying he's "selling canned air"; what he does works for him, but I don't think it will necessarilly work for me and what I do as a VO artist, especially since there's A LOT of different work in this business, and there are no "magic steps" or "VO bible" that will work for everyone. In fact, I can say I have become full-time VO artist and I haven't done ANYTHING of what he recommends for marketing.
I think the problem is that people are trying to do EXACTLY what he does and EXPECTING the same results, which is a very wrong way to go about in this VO business.
Bill's email marketing is a bit aggressive. On the other hand, his beginner seminar (VO Income Machine) was extremely valuable for getting me started.
Can you plz react to cdawg's "i became a pro anime voice actor in Japan"
Oh I think I've discovered one of your secrets to increased productivity...it's the six-fingered left hand! 😉
I appreciate the fair, informed, and thoughtful analysis and answers to questions and critique on Bill DeWees, and I think you're spot on. Great point about how different things work for different people, and how Bill and Earl Hall have placed an emphasis on marketing their coaching. I agree with you- there's nothing wrong with that. I will say I am not a fan of bragging about how much you make as a selling point. That tends to rub me the wrong way, but maybe it inspires others. My take on Bill and Earl, are exactly the same as yours. I think it's important for us to have realistic expectations, and to put into practice what we've learned and be willing to try different things to see what works best for us. Great video, Tim!